Fear The Boot - Now Everybody's Talking
Lots of Fear The Boot activity both here on the blog as well as out there on the interweb today. Really, a lot. We've gone from nobody talking about this subject to LOTS of people talking about it.
Here's you're daily summary of the ongoing story...
I didn't mention it in yesterday's entry on the subject, but FtB's Dan called out the two most notable former hosts of the show, Adam and Luke. In reference to the Brilliant Gameologist podcast in which the Boot was skewered, Dan said:
"...As other people have noted, they've thrown their lot in with ex-hosts of this show, some of which have behaved in very adversarial ways toward us, albeit mostly behind the scenes. I'm sure that plays no small part in this. It's not just one show offering an honest, scathing critique of another. If that was the case, I could laugh it off as nothing more than the same sort of needling we give to other corners of the RPG industry. But make no such mistake. On some level, whether big or small, this is personal."
Former host Adam in grand Popeye fashion had all he could stand and couldn't stands no more! He posted on his LiveJournal blog:
"At no point did I conspire with the Brilliant Gameologists for them to do their critique of Fear the Boot. I didn't even know they were going to do it, frankly...Contrary to popular (and personal) belief, I do not want FtB to fail. Having built a good portion of the community (at least at the time I had left), done the MAJORITY of content for the show, and built my name there, why would I possibly want such a big portion of my podcasting resume to disappear?"
Adam has turned a page in the manner in which he regards FtB front man Dan Repperger. Of Dan (The Other Party), he writes:
"Luke has told me on many occasions that I've gone too far out of my way, done to much to make the situation right, and that the other party would never respond. He's absolutely right. Feigning an interest to make the situation right, the other party has used me, much like he did for the tenure of our relationship.
Meanwhile, that other former FtB host Luke had some choice words for Dan over on his own LJ blog:
Since what I'm responding to is public, the reply will be public. It will also be short. First, stop lying. Second, stop blaming me and Adam for criticisms leveled at Fear the Boot. We had nothing to do with it. It's not a conspiracy and trying to make it one to convince people the points are invalid is, honestly, ridiculous.
Dan later amended his original comments with the following:
"I got a PM from someone regarding point #4, so I want to clarify what I mean. I have no reason to believe any ex-hosts of this show encouraged BG's attack on us. In fact, what I hear through the grapevine is that they're as surprised as we were by the episode. What I was trying to say is that I believe BG's friendship with people who are already at odds with us likely played some role in their choice to attack us, thus making it personal. I didn't mean to imply ex-hosts were pulling the strings on this. My apologies if that wasn't clear before."
To which Adam responded:
"...What a bunch of horse shit."
There are lots of comments on both Adam and Luke's blogs as well as on the Fear The Boot forum. Dan has closed off the topic on the FtB boards, a topic that I opened when I posted my They Hate Fear The Boot article. When closing the thread, Dan stated:
I realize this is going to spark the usual cries of "free speech" and "moderators are Nazis," but I'm going to lock this thread.
While most posts -- even those criticizing us -- have been perfectly fine, there are a few that violate forum rule #3 (FORUM RULE #3 - Please be polite and respectful to everyone). Plus, given where some of the posts are heading, I don't think this will end well.
If you love us, we appreciate the support. If you have mixed feelings, we have a whole forum area for suggestions that we really do pay attention to. And if you think we're just worthless bastards with a horrible show, the "Logout" link is not hard to locate.
As for BG, I thought we had a cordial, working relationship with them. I was wrong. It's a free country, so they can say what they want. But I won't grant them the boon of a controversy on my own forums.
Also, none of this was really a Shameless Plug for anything, anyway.
That last sentence irritates me. I originally opened that thread over in the Fear The Boot forum, not Shameless Plugs. The forum labeled Fear The Boot is designated as "Anything related to our regular or bonus episodes." The Brilliant Gameologist's review has EVERYTHING to do with the FtB episodes, yet host and forum moderator Chad moved the thread to Shameless Plugs stating:
"Moved to plugs section. I wasn't sure that Plugs is the right place for this but the Fear the Boot section is more for the individual episode reviews."
So Dan's last comment rubs me the wrong way. Talk to Chad about it if you don't like where the article was posted. Of course, I can't post that to the thread since it's been locked. Annoying.
I don't blame him at all for closing the thread. Just gripes me.
Meg from the Brilliant Gameologists responded today to last night's entry concerning Dan's comments.
MEG: So if I offer up rebuttals to those points, will you post about them too?
ME: You know it, sister!
Here's what Meg had to say:
"...Dan responded to your summaries of the episode - not the episode itself... Your summaries were mostly accurate, but with his responses, it's getting a bit like a game of telephone.
"For example, our first point about 'not a lot happening' at the time they came out stands. There weren't nearly as many podcasts then as there are now. And furthermore, we specifically mention Paul Tevis and Don Dehm as other longstanding, quality podcasters, so his point is mostly negated by that.
"The second point was expanded on as well in the episode, but his point is valid from his point of view. The only clarification I would make is that he makes it sound like we are jealous of the popularity and that isn't the case. We said it in the same regard as I would say that I don't appreciate the popularity that Twilight (the book)* has gotten. It didn't really do anything original and I liked the story better when it was a TV show called Roswell and was about Aliens. Sometimes there are better choices out there, but the middle of the road options are what gets the attention. Fact of life. Doesn't mean I shouldn't speak up about good, non-mainstream Young Adult books.
"The third I mostly just object to the statement "no hint at good-natured humor" and that this is something so heinous that it can't be undone.
"I call Drama Queen.
"Anyone who has listened to the episode will have heard what immediately followed FtB as our #7 and most hated subject and I think that speaks for itself in this regard.
"Our short segment about FtB in a much longer episode (which I question if you, Bastard, listened to because you make it sound like we had a whole episode trashing FtB) strongly critiqued FtB's product. Not them as people and not even them alone. This isn't 'vitriiolic hate.' It's commentary on a publicly accessible media.
*You got me. I'm actually a die-hard Twilight fan. Edward makes me swoon. Still don't think it's very good though.
I listened to the whole episod, Meg. I mentioned the FtB portion of it as that was that part that interested me.
I did not choose to review your podcast as I have only listened to the one show. When I review, I like to consume several shows so that I can get a sense of what the hosts are about. For instance, I listened to nineteen episodes of Bear Swarm prior to posting that review. I try to extend that same courtesy (to some extent) to all the shows I review.
Oh, and since the criticism of Fear The boot was both scathing and caustic, I believe vitriolic to be an appropriate word to describe your hate of the show.
Three readers commented on some things Meg posted a few days ago:
- These are still things that they have ALMOST done, and an unconfirmed/able donation. This doesn't give them any right to be jerks.
- They may have "almost" done all these things, but it doesn't give them the right to act like big fish in a small pond.
- Has Meg from BG told you what project she was involved inwhen stuff was being sent overseas? If it is what I am thinking of, she is being kinda intellectually dishonest in comparing it to the stuff the FtB guys organized.
No, Meg hasn't shared any details with me. I have simply accepted her at her word.
Posted by Aron Head
at 9:30 PM CDT